Support AskDrBrown on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/AskDrBrown For more 'Consider This' Videos go to: https://askdrbrown.org/considerthis From the very earliest days, the church knew which books were God’s inspired word for them. But only a few individual churches and teachers wanted them included in the canon. I will never forget my first day as a young child at a new school. The Canon for the Christians comprises of 66 books that were the books believed to contain legitimate information that aligns with the Christian faith. Question: "Is it possible that more books could be added to the Bible?" The New Testament books also fit the context of what was in the Old Testament, especially since many of the quotes from the New Testament authors were quotes taken directly from the Old Testament. I. Packer, God Has Spoken: Revelation and the Bible, 3rd ed. Luther was forced to say that Second Maccabees could not be allowed in the debate because it wasn’t canonical. 7Walter A. Elwell and Barry J. Beitzel, Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1988), 301. Then Martin Luther, in his Bible translation of 1534, extracted the apocryphal books from their usual places in the Old Testament, and had them printed at the end of the Old Testament. What Mark Driscoll and Family Have Been Up... Not Everyone Dies and Goes to a “Better... How to Live by the Indwelling Life of Christ Click here to... Critical Race Theory Examined and Analyzed. Rather, it consists of 114 sayings attributed to Jesus, some of which clearly parallel sayings in the canonical Gospels. 1:2. Allusions Are Not The Same As Scripture While there may be some allusions to the apocryphal books by New Testament writers there is no direct quote from them. The “god” of Thomas is a second-rate angelic being who rebelliously created this physical world. One example is the Gospel of Judas, which completely contradicts the four gospels we have, like when Judas was said to have betrayed Christ because he was commanded to do so by the Lord, but other flagrant falsehoods in this book include Jesus supposedly marrying Mary Magdalene, and even claiming to have had children by her, but there is no biblical or historical evidence to support this, so it was an easy decision to reject the Gospel of Judas today. They said to him, ‘Why do you love her more than all of us?’” (The ellipses in brackets indicate where the papyrus is broken and lost.) In the West the canon was fixed at the Council of Carthage in AD 397. Much of this blog is adapted from the book Doctrine written by Mark Driscoll and Dr. Gerry Breshears, Please also opt me in for Exclusive Offers from Patheos’s Partners, What is the Bible? Some of the other writings that got voted out included the Wisdom of Sirach, a stream-of-consciousness, beat poetry approach to Judaism. I have a lot of questions nowadays all because I’ve been told that I’m now a servant-leader Christian as well. 102 Tim. Do you know how can i break free from the last three parts aside from forgiving the last part? No its right there in front of you, but we cant question paul quoting from false prophets in 405bc the bacche “hard to kick against the pricks” written for Dionasys a false elohim!!!! The whole content of the Bible has been collated to give a certain view, and books such as the so-called Gnostic Gospels - a collection of around 50 texts including the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Judas etc - were rejected as they gave a different, and some might argue, a more realistic (i.e., less supernatural), view of the supposed life of Jesus. But as the center of Christianity moved away from Jerusalem and Christians read and worshiped more in Greek than Hebrew, there was more openness to the books of the Septuagint. I don’t know why the Catholic church uses these non-inspired books, so it’s a mystery to me why they use them as the Apocrypha contain both doctrinal and historical errors. That was the reason any of them hesitated…they wanted to be completely sure that they were God’s inspired Word, and they were. They designated them as “the Scripture,” “the Scriptures,” “the holy Scriptures,” “the sacred writings,” and so forth. When consideration is given to the diversity in cultural backgrounds and in orientation to the essentials of the Christian faith within the churches, their common agreement about which books belonged to the New Testament serves to suggest that this final decision did not originate solely at the human level. Beginning two hundred and fifty years before Christ, Greek-speaking Jews living in Alexandria translated the Old Testament into Greek, calling it the Septuagint. Why Are Some Books in the Bible, But Not Others? Several books have claimed to be this lost text, some of which are discounted as pseudepigrapha. In the fourth century, the church moved to settle the issues of the New Testament canon. What could be the reason for their hesitation.? I found your assessment very acceptable. I don’t believe we should be praying to dead people in front of idols like Mary or Joseph. If I were you, I’d avoid these so-called “inspired” and not in the cannon. Books excluded from Bible, Early Christians followed Jesus and used the same books as found in the Hebrew Bible today. Please repent of your hatred and name calling as this is not a Spirit-lead person saying such terrible things. 2John 7:38; Acts 8:32; Rom. The Bible declares of itself that Scripture is God’s Word, uttered as it were, from the very breath of God. 5:1; 2 Pet. Whilst I agree with your assessment of books with shown glaring discrepancies, I have found much value in the study of books like Yovheliym (Jubilees), Yashar (Jasher), 4 Ezra (2 Esdras), 2 Baruch, and 1 Enoch. Did someone just pick some books and not others and call it the Bible? Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.”. Some Recent Podcast Interviews with Michael Bird. I’d be thankful for it. God has already spoken to us thru the Prophets & Apostles and Jesus Himself in these last days and it says in the Greek tense, “has,” meaning it’s already been delivered. The short answer is this: When Luther was cornered in a debate over Purgatory, his opponent, Johann Eck, cited 2 Maccabees against Luther’s position. They are just a scriptural sidelight. There is also discussion that the so-called "lost books" of the Bible refers to ancient Israelite books that are not really "lost" because we know of their existence as they are mentioned in the Bible. I would like to ask if the book of Ecclesiasticus is included among books not inspired by God. These books contain a large number of doctrinal errors, like in Tobit there is the command to use magic (Tobit 6:5-7), that forgiveness of sins comes from alms giving (Tobit 4:11; 12:9), and that we are to make offerings of money for the sins of the dead (2 Maccabees 12:43-45). Why did some hesitate to include some books in the Bible? Church and ministry leadership resources to better equip, train and provide ideas for today's church and ministry leaders, like you. . ] . They are the books of our Bible. Ecclesiastes is written by King Solomon and so yes sir, it is inspired by the Holy Spirit too like the other 65 books in the Bible. 5:13. It’s the most accurate book of antiquity. To say the least, this is extremely slender evidence for Jesus’ marriage that some purport, even if this very late, clearly Gnostic gospel was accepted as authentic, which it is not. Satan uses people to do such things as you are saying. I am not on anyone’s side but calling someone out because of their misspelling words makes no wrong or right. In fact, it says, “And the companion of the [ . It is true Satan will use people unknowingly. Answering 4 Common Questions About the Bible: Part 1. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 bo… Tagged as: (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2000), 109. All but a few New Testament writers were eyewitnesses to the events they recorded. We can know that the 66 books in the Bible that we currently have are the inspired Word of God because the dozens of prophecies that were written hundreds, and sometimes, thousands of years before the events happened, and they took place exactly as prophesied. Related reading for you here: What Are the Apocrypha Books? Resource – Scripture quotations are from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version® (ESV®), Crossway Bibles. Anyone curious about their truthfulness should simply read them. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Some older or more complete copies of them have been discovered, most significantly in the Egyptian Nag Hammadi site. Rather, they recognized and confirmed their canonical status. Serving others is fine with me but leading others I just don’t see myself to be one, I’ve always been the weak one in my family mentally & physically. Maybe this is why the Apostle Paul said, “even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed” (Gal 1:8), and these books preach another gospel; a gospel not from God. It is now easy to see why the “Seventh Book of Moses” is not included in the Bible. 2 & 3 Enoch are obviously fake, but I’ve read modern ThD book assessing and explaining the Apocalypse of Baruch (2 Baruch) and consider it very worthwhile study. They kept the ordering of the Vulgate but returned to the authoritative books of Jesus, the Hebrew-speaking Jews, and early Christianity. I've done a stack of podcast interviews in recent months, here's the... Conformity to “the rule of faith”: Did the book conform to orthodox Christian truth recognized as normative in the churches? We are no longer under Satan’s domain like we used to be (2 Cor 4:3-4). . ] The 66 books of the Bible are not a product of man, but the inspired Word of God (1 Tim 3:16). Eventually, the Roman Catholic Church adopted many of the books of the Septuagint into its Latin version, called the Vulgate. In recent years, the so-called “lost books of the Bible” have enjoyed revived interest. (2007). ]. Thank you The reason for some books left out of the bible is because the early church leaders claimed they were false and blasphemous. 1:16; 1 John 1:1–3. Although some discussion arose over the inclusion of other books into the Church's canon of Sacred Scripture after this time, the Council of Florence (1442) definitively established the official list of 46 books … The Old Testament was widely accepted as inspired by God and has long since been considered to be the very Word of God. Is that your question? J.I. 22 Lost Books Referenced in The Bible. Why is that? What if the gospel we actually preach is wrong? The Bible as we have it today, which consists of 66 books, took a very long, thoughtful process to come together. The early church fathers only accepted the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament. Get updates from Pastor Mark Driscoll delivered straight to your inbox. Or, was there a more formal and thoughtful process that ended up determining the best selling and most translated book in the history of the world? F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? Jewish people call them the Tanakh, an acronym formed from the first letters of Torah (Law), Naviim (Prophets), and Ketubim (Writings). I think the only ‘inspired’ thing here is a series of books all written and passed down by men, and a group of men decided which ones benefit them the most and accepted only those. The only attention given to the humanity of Jesus was when trying to excuse it. We call these authoritative writings the Old Testament. No believer in Jesus Christ can be cursed, ever~ Read this: https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/can-a-christian-have-a-spell-put-on-them-are-generational-curses-biblical/. The fact is Enoch is a biblical figure prior to Noah’s flood and the son of Jared and father of Methuselah. It's the start of a busy day for me.... Social trust is the glue that holds society together. To make the differences between the real Gospels in the Bible and the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas clear, just read its final adage: Simon Peter said to him, “Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.” Jesus said, “I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. The Bible as we have it today, which consists of 66 books, took a very long, thoughtful process to come together. Not only do these books contain serious doctrinal errors, they contain historical errors too. They are inspired by man and not by God. 13Glenn W. Barker, William L. Lane, and J. Ramsey Michaels, The New Testament Speaks (New York: Harper & Row, 1969), 29. Lost Books, Good day Mr Wellman. Or “cretins always lyers,” this witness is true a false prophet of Zeus 600 years earlier!!! Talk to your pastor about this and not a priest. Other fake gospels or books of the Bible include, the Secrets of Enoch, the Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan, Psalms of Solomon 4, the Gospel of Philip, the Apocalypse of Peter, and the Gospel of Mary, and you don’t have to be a Bible scholar to see that these books are not consistent with the 66 books of the Bible. (Rev 3-5 and Philippians 4-3) This is an ongoing edited book that is being edited to this day until judgment. Yes, our saviour quotes from Esdras!!! . ] You can’t say that the new testament does not quote anything at all in these books ..you are a lier…please explain this…. However, Hebrews remained in dispute for several centuries, especially in the West, because of the anonymity of its author. Do you think they still have reservations as to the potency and acceptance of those books…? Written over … James and Jude were closely associated with the apostles in Jerusalem and were probably Jesus’ brothers, which would have also made them eyewitnesses. her more than the disciples [ . Name one and I will show you why it does not belong. God, not men decided the canon. However, many Christians regarded them as valuable for reading and edification, and in some editions of the Bible they were interspersed among the Old Testament books. The apostles and the saviour recite from Enoch, Jubilees, Jasher, there’s so much and all lines up with old testament…you want to question those but not paul??? Also, we are all saints so the Bible calls us, and has nothing to do with the Catholic Church and the Corinthians verses you cited have nothing to do with Catholics but all believers, Protestant included. Many Christians believe there is one Bible, but biblical canon has changed repeatedly over the centuries. They can mislead. Yes, in a horrifying elementary school moment, some kids were going to get picked and others were not. Humans are presented as spiritual beings ensnared in a wretched physical body. Common Misunderstanding: That since the Catholic Old Testament contains seven more books than Protestant Bibles, the Catholic Church must have added later to justify doctrines that Jesus did not teach. It was simply not used by all the churches over time. … Rejected books, widely used in the first two centuries, but not considered inspired or part of the New Testament Canon. It was written at least a century after the four biblical Gospels, long after the eyewitnesses to Jesus Christ were dead. How did the church know which books ought to be recognized as canonical? F. F. Bruce says: One thing must be emphatically stated. Actually, that is not the case. 3:15. We see this idea when Jesus explained to his disciples “everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” It is important to note that the Tanakh includes the same material as the Protestant Old Testament, though they arrange the books differently. Packer writes:The Church no more gave us the New Testament canon than Sir Isaac Newton gave us the force of gravity. The rest of [ . They clearly don’t fit contextually and doctrinally with the Scriptures. Hello, I’m Anne from Philippines. Wheaton, Ill: Crossway Bibles. The first compilation of cannon did not come about until about three hundred years later at the Council of Hippo. Why were some books excluded from the Bible? Many other books such as 1 Maccabees, the Wisdom of Solomon, and other such books are what we call the Apocrypha, and these books have never been accepted as inspired by God, and all of these books were flatly rejected by the Jews. By Gary Michuta. The Bible is the holy scripture of the Christian religion, purporting to tell the history of the Earth from its earliest creation to the spread of Christianity in the first century A.D. It was very early in the church’s history that the vast majority of books were accepted by the church as Scripture, mainly because the church leadership and membership had both accepted them as being from God. Rev 3-5 and Phil 4:3 is not being edited. The Bible says we must confess our sins to God and not a priest. Though sometimes my dreams would be I’d be given a warning such as the symbol of satan (a star with the image of a bull or cow) which is he’s telling me to stay away from. The four Gospels, written to preserve and spread the story of Jesus to the whole church, were received gladly and universally, as were the writings of Paul, including 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus (also known as the Pastoral Letters). I don’t want to debate because we are in an audience of different level laymen/women. There are no other books that should be considered as part of the Bible. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Books such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache were appreciated by the early church and are akin to some popular Christian books today that can provide some insight but do not … Hello Floki. I don’t trust guys like Augustine (former Manichaen and still evidenced much influence of it), and Jerome – the DD commenting on 1 Enoch points out that those 2 were mainly repsonsilble for 1 Enoch’s exclusion saying it was either that or Chizayon (Revelation) but not both. Virtually all the books were immediately accepted. 15:6–8; 1 Pet. All Rights Reserved. All of the discovered books were referred to in the church fathers’ writings because the Fathers knew of their existence but simply did not consider them sacred Scripture. Yes, I want the Patheos Evangelical Newsletter as well, Identity Politics vs. Transactional Politics. The Reasons the Protestant Church excludes them is as follows: 1. Below is a list of the books that the Bible references, or tells us to look at, that are lost forever. Trusted men of God like Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, Athanasius, Jerome, Augustine, and others, all led the slow and careful acceptance of the books in the New Testament as we know it today. 11Luke 1:1–4. How about you? Regarding the wrongly termed “lost gospels,” New Testament scholar Craig Blomberg has said: In no meaningful sense did these writers, church leaders, or councils “suppress” Gnostic or apocryphal material, since there is no evidence of any canon that ever included them, nor that anyone put them forward for canonization, nor that they were known widely enough to have been serious candidates for inclusion had someone put them forward. Mary Magdalene, [ . The books of the Apocrypha were not officially recognized as part of … The church was able to discern which of the books were indeed inspired by God, and which did not belong in the Bible, so how did they know which ones belonged and which ones didn’t? The two evil beings even nearly cursed the older and younger generation of my family out of their desire for revenge for every transgressions they did to me but by Christ’s grace and sacrifice my family was saved from the devil’s devious hands something which I’m very thankful of. Only Christ is able to see through my facade and manages to give me peaceful slumber by ensuring I’d always be in a peaceful garden in my dreams and reveals himself in the form of a lion at my side. Furthermore, no “lost” gospels have been discovered. No doubt the apocrypha is inspired!! Most of them are dated at least two hundred years after Jesus. He was of the Antediluvian period in the Hebrew Bible. Some alleged “lost books” of the Bible that had somehow been lost, have recently surfaced with the claim that these too are Scripture, and some even have other gospels that they believe should be in the Bible, but the vast majority of Bible scholars reject them, and for very good reason. This may explain why the early church, predominantly Jewish, was able to accept the New Testament books so easily. The arrangements of the Jewish and Christian canons differ considerably. I won’t lie though, my earthly grandfather never treated me fairly back when he was still alive. The many fulfilled prophecies, the thousands of archaeological discoveries, and the endurable Word of God provides more than enough for us to know that when we pick up the Bible, it is God speaking to us; it is His inspired Word; and it is all that we need to know how to be saved. Books such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache were appreciated by the early church and are akin to some popular Christian books today that can provide some insight but do not rise to the level of Scripture or fall to the level of heresy. Catholicity: Did the book have widespread and continuous acceptance and usage by churches everywhere. Martin Luther was the person who removed books from the Bible. Was the New Testament canon disputed? For example, Dan Brown built much of the storyline of his best-selling book, The Da Vinci Code, on the premise that the church selected the four canonical Gospels from eighty similar books. . By the year AD 180, all of the New Testament books in the Bible, (with the only single exception, being 2 Peter) were directly quoted by church leaders, so the early church was clear on what was considered Scripture and what was not, and even though some churches hesitated over the books of James, Jude, 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, Hebrews, and Revelation, all other books in the Bible were universally accepted by the church, and it wouldn’t be long before all 27 books of the New Testament would be accepted as God’s Word. He did so mostly because the books contradicted his … There were tons of books written about Jesus in the early days of Christianity, but many aren't in the Bible. Not really. So, now, we have the official Bible of today with 66 books with an addition of the 14 books of the Apocrypha. . 4Rom. 4:3. In the East it was done in the Thirty-Ninth Paschal Letter of Athanasius in AD 367. As the Reformers attempted to rid the church of many traditional teachings and get back to the Bible, they also rejected the deuterocanonical books, calling them the Apocrypha. The first ecclesiastical councils to classify the canonical books were both held in North Africa—at Hippo Regius in 393 and at Carthage in 397—but what these councils did was not to impose something new upon the Christian communities but to codify what was already the general practice of those communities. God gave us gravity, by His work of creation, and similarly He gave us the New Testament canon, by inspiring the individual books that make it up. The Catholic religion considers these books as scripture just like a Bible-believer believes that the 66 books in the Authorized Version of 1611 of the Bible are the word of God, i.e., Genesis to Revelation. kiss her on her [ . 4:11. It’s awkward to stand there and be sized up while waiting to hear your name chosen. Also, send me the Evangelical Newsletter. 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